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Evil woman (like Viconia) romanseable for female protagonist. It promises very intresting dialogues. What do you think? Do you have talents to do it?

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I'm debating whether I should write an appropriate reply or not.
Hahah, an appropriate reply would probably fall far under the realm of inappropriate.

 

Evil woman (like Viconia) romanseable for female protagonist. It promises very intresting dialogues. What do you think? Do you have talents to do it?
First off, that's phrased very, very wrongly. Even the majority of people who believe homosexuality to be an inherantly unhealthy thing do not consider it to fall under the realm of wicked, and implying such an innate connection between it and "evil" in a politically neutral place like this is not likely to be looked upon in a positive way. In case offense was not intended, though:

 

It's an old idea. Drow society accepts and even encourages homosexual behavior, so even if she was not biologically predispositioned for it I can easily see this as a possibility. Whether or not the project should be undertaken, however, is a different story. Sister Vigilante once put it rather well, saying that the Viconia romance (being arguable the most "sexy") being made available to both genders would probably perpetuate the sterotype that homosexual relationships are inherantly more lascivious than their heterosexual counterparts in many people's eyes. It's not really a question of people having the talent, as even a talented modder who whole-heartedly wished for its completion would be treading a very thin line; anyone willing to give this project a shot would likely end up distancing themselves from certain members of the community on multiple ends of the spectrum.

 

It's a possibility that I will try to incorporate this into a later version of my current work, an expansion to the Bioware romances, but it's definitely not a priority. If such a thing ever did reach legitimate completion, at least by my hands, it wouldn't be focused on the evil or lustful side of Viconia. Nor would it be as simple as "switching the pronouns" on the current, relatively kindness/patience-focused romance. Instead, it would probably take the shape of a far more respect-oriented power struggle between two dynamic individuals, one that might be doomed from the start, as such things often are.

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I'm not sure Lady of Payne meant a homosexual drow mod or was implying that it was evil, though possibly she did. I read it more as "can we have an evil NPC (in the same way that Viconia is evil) AND have them be homosexual". But I guess it could go either way (not a sexuality pun, honest...).

 

Right, advice time: If you want to make a new NPC, give it a go. There are plenty of awesome tutorials for getting started and a community more than willing to help you out if you get stuck (but you're unlikely to find someone to do everything for you). However, before you start writing anything, get a very definite idea of the character you're writing. Evil and gay is far too vague, and would most likely lead to some horribly stereotypical dialogues.

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When I read the OP, I interpreted the statement to mean a lesbian NPC who is evil-aligned to the extent that Viconia is evil-aligned.

 

There aren't enough lesbian or gay romances for the game and there aren't enough evil-aligned romanceable NPCs, so combining the two would definitely fulfil a need. As for the potential for good writing, every mod in development has the potential to be trite... but it also has the potential to be outstanding. Grim Squeaker's advice is sound. Fixing the character and the development path at the outset will definitely help. That should be the first task of any modder, though, regardless of the NPC. Clear characterization and a dialogue/plot outline is absolutely essential if you want to avoid the frustration of working for months on a project only to find out that you've written Ms/Mr Generic Insert-Name-Here.

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My memory of Drow sexuality, from the books I've read, is that these Elves encourage bisexual relations, but I have no memory of specifically homosexual behavior. Are there any sources to cite to substantiate this either way?

 

Something about the basic concept of this mod idea struck me, and it may be a good undercurrent of the mod character's personality, depending on the motivation for romantic involvement. I see two tracks here, either of which could be followed:

 

1. The evil-aligned character is a schemer, interested mostly in self-advancement, so any relations with the MC would stem from the desire to manipulate for personal gain, and/or serve her inherently hedonistic tendencies (due to being a Dark Elf).

 

2. The capacity to fall in love, and to pursue a romantic relationship on that level, might be viewed as a good, pure thing. This could be an aspect of the NPC that gives her the potential to change her evil ways (or, at least, to lead to some internal conflict). The romance could be developed in such a way that leads the NPC to conclude that there are more fulfilling things in life than simply acquiring power at the expense of others, leading to the change in worldview. This track has potential to add interest to the mod, IMHO.

 

It will be interesting to see if this particular concept coalesces...

 

Happy modding,

Eric

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My memory of Drow sexuality, from the books I've read, is that these Elves encourage bisexual relations, but I have no memory of specifically homosexual behavior. Are there any sources to cite to substantiate this either way?

 

Check the Viconia Relationship forum, in particular the original thread. There's a lot of discussion on it there and links to various sources. It's a bit ugly in places though and I really don't want a repeat of it here :p

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Ah, sorry, I misread woman as women. Hey, don't make fun of me, everyone I talked to did the same! Now I look like an ass. Curse you Grim Squeaker! Berlinede... you're cool, no curse. Yet.

 

You two really covered the bases. All this advice has my near-worthless stamp of approval, especially "Evil and gay is far too vague, and would most likely lead to some horribly stereotypical dialogues." Flesh out the details, lest ye perish.

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My memory of Drow sexuality, from the books I've read, is that these Elves encourage bisexual relations, but I have no memory of specifically homosexual behavior. Are there any sources to cite to substantiate this either way?

 

Check the Viconia Relationship forum, in particular the original thread. There's a lot of discussion on it there and links to various sources. It's a bit ugly in places though and I really don't want a repeat of it here :p

 

The Viconia-specific material strikes me as too speculative. I lean toward her being either heterosexual (thus making any verbal "advances" in jest), or perhaps genuinely bi-curious (or flat-out bisexual). Hard tellin', but I'd keep her as a typical Drow female, consistent with the way she's been "officially" portrayed, when writing any mod content for her.

 

Just my $.02 :down:

 

Eric

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I understand where you're coming from, and agree to some extent.

 

But at the same time, characters like Alora, Dynaheir, Elhan, Kagain, Reevor, Winthrop, Yeslick, and many others don't show any sign of a sexuality, but I doubt that the vast majority of people in the game are supposed to be asexual. Some degree of asumption and artistic liscense is inherant in our work, it's just a matter of how far a modder is willing to take it, and how far a player is willing to accept. I'm not really set with either side on this particular issue, but I think it isn't nearly as much of a stretch as, say, Edwin or Sarevok being romancible (not that I don't like those mods)

 

Personally, I agree that Bioware probably didn't picture Viconia as bisexual. But neither did they Nalia, and I found the Nalia-PC and Nalia-Auren romances to be well-done to the point where I have accepted her new, modder-assigned sexuality.

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Yours seems to be the consensus opinion, if I'm interperating the old discussions correctly, and I have no intention to push an unwelcome idea. Especially one I haven't the slightest bit of passion for.

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I understand where you're coming from, and agree to some extent.

 

But at the same time, characters like Alora, Dynaheir, Elhan, Kagain, Reevor, Winthrop, Yeslick, and many others don't show any sign of a sexuality, but I doubt that the vast majority of people in the game are supposed to be asexual. Some degree of asumption and artistic liscense is inherant in our work, it's just a matter of how far a modder is willing to take it, and how far a player is willing to accept. I'm not really set with either side on this particular issue, but I think it isn't nearly as much of a stretch as, say, Edwin or Sarevok being romancible (not that I don't like those mods)

 

Personally, I agree that Bioware probably didn't picture Viconia as bisexual. But neither did they Nalia, and I found the Nalia-PC and Nalia-Auren romances to be well-done to the point where I have accepted her new, modder-assigned sexuality.

 

Funny you should mention Nalia-Auren. I've found it inconsistent for Nalia's character not to be heterosexual. This is due to the way she responds to a female protagonist's suggestion that they marry, after the party clears out her family's keep. She makes a comment about the anatomy not being right, which she wouldn't do if she was open to taking a female lover...unless she meant that a public union would not be accepted by her people, which would have nothing to do with her personal sexuality.

 

Will Nalia engage in a romance with a PC, or is it strictly part of the Auren mod?

 

Thanks,

Eric

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