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#31 Mike1072

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Posted 20 September 2018 - 05:40 PM

@Mike1072 Thanks for suggestion but it looks like you are to bound to BWS
1. No, not true
2. Doesn't matter
3. No, not true
 
No need for database/cache metadata. The <modname>.ini scheme is much better from the bigger picture(simple copy without adding "-metadata"), not from single mod and I'm happy that it's not a problem anymore.

Guess I'll have to take your word for it.



#32 ALIENQuake

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Posted 20 September 2018 - 06:44 PM

Just to be incredibly contrarian about this, Zeitgeist will support INI over my dead body*. It's not a suitable format for abstracted editing, for lack of a better term (that is, parsing it, presenting it with abstracted controls, say GUI widgets, allowing the user to change values within predefined bounds and doing something useful with the results); JSON's where it's at (the offshoots are less widely supported and are thus less qualified). Hell, even XML is better. The only way INI works if it's like today, where the user essentially opens text files in editors and change values at ver own risk. I'm not the dictator here; people can use whatever they like and build whatever ecosystems they like, but don't expect me to not be difficult about it.

 

*My being alive or dead is probably not relevant; INI would be unsupportable, regardless.

 

On the wider point of why metadata shouldn't be stored in the TP2, it's because having to run WeiDU every time you wanted to get to the information is terrible and unreasonable (and having to implement a TP2 parser in your program would be ridiculous) and WeiDU has not use for it, itself. Aside from having to have WeiDU available, in the right version, there are the considerations of needing to run a, possibly non-blocking, inferior process interactively, or at the least needing to run an inferior process and then having to read from whatever file to which you directed the process' output. Having the information in a widely supported standard format is the way to go; with a little luck, whatever tool/language you are using has native support for the format, and away you go. The unfortunate downside is that if you want per-component metadata, you have to duplicate and maintain the component structure in a second file.

The ini format is suitable for mod metadata. Modder doesn't need to learn about JSON at all for things like mod name, author, description and simple url. The configuration sould be stored in another file anyway (because of the updatemod>overwrite settings problem) so it can have JSON format for those who will need it. But for simple o/1 or true/false options, I think ini will also be fine. So why not support for both ini and JSON?

 

I think we all agree about 'data inside tp2' as a dead end. 



#33 ALIENQuake

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 04:07 AM

Example for Tweaks Anthology:

 

Metadata from setup-cdtweaks.ini (match tp2 name)

[Mod]
# Full name of the mod, without version number
Name = Tweaks Anthology

# Author name or nick
Author = Project Lead: CamDawg, Authors: Andyr, the bigg, DavidW, grogerson, Idobek, and Wes Weimer, Contributors: Angel, Ardanis/GeN1e, argent77, aVENGER, Baldurdash, Blucher, Davide Carte, Domi, Galactygon, icelus, Icendoan, japheth, jcompton, Karzak, Luiz, Mike1072, Miloch, plainab, Richardson, Sabre, subtledoctor, Wendy Yung, Zed Nocear

# Description of the mod itself
Description = This mod includes and deprecates a slew of other mods: the BG2 Tweak Pack, the G3 Tweak Pack, the Tutu Tweak Pack, Wes Weimer's Ease of Use, the Icewind Dale Tweak Pack, the Icewind Dale II Tweak Pack, the Baldur's Gate Tweak Pack, and the Planescape: Torment Tweak Pack.

# Link to HomePage
HomePage = http://www.gibberlings3.net/tweaks/

# Link to dedicated forum or forum thread 
Forum = http://gibberlings3.net/forums/index.php?showforum=34

# Direct download link, preferred hosting is github.com, for last release link use 'https://lynxlynx.info/ie/modhub.php?AccountName/Repository
Download = https://lynxlynx.info/ie/modhub.php?Gibberlings3/Tweaks-Anthology

Presentation: https://imgur.com/a/FWs3U8f

 

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Notice that Version and Readme path are taken from tp2. What do you think?


Edited by ALIENQuake, 07 November 2018 - 05:29 PM.


#34 DavidW

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 06:00 AM

I don’t understand the “lynxlynx” bit.

#35 Jarno Mikkola

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 06:19 AM

I don’t understand the “lynxlynx” bit.

Just read this pages info. Aka: "Microservice to find the latest or latest (pre)release version of a mod hosted on GitHub

It will automatically redirect to the desired archive. Defaults to archived code of the latest proper release."


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#36 Sam.

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 06:20 AM

Maybe bold the keys to help distinguish them from their values?
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#37 Miloch

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 07:06 AM

Maybe bold the keys to help distinguish them from their values?

Sound idea.


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#38 ALIENQuake

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 08:36 AM

Maybe bold the keys to help distinguish them from their values?

 

 

Maybe bold the keys to help distinguish them from their values?

Sound idea.

 

Done. Also the mod name has version at the TreeView.

 

Regarding lynx 'modhub':

 

I will definitely try to implement such functions directly in my tool so modders could just simply put 

Download = https://github.com/Gibberlings3/Tweaks-Anthology

 and that's it  :thumbsup:


Edited by ALIENQuake, 22 October 2018 - 08:37 AM.




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