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#1 subtledoctor

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Posted 27 August 2015 - 06:23 AM

I'd like to announce the first second! release of my new mod: Non-Player Characters, Enhanced for Everyone. That's right - NPC_EE! (beta v1.0)

Forum page with download link

And here is the ReadMe
 
Please note, this is EE-only.  If you're playing TOB or BGT or Tutu, you should instead use the excellent "Level 1 NPCs" mod.
What is this mod?

Well, this is a bone I'm throwing to BGEE players, since the wonderful, excellent, currently-unsupported "Level 1 NPCs" mod does not work on the new engine. I added some rekitted NPC components to the end of my Scales of Balance mod (SoB); but there were only a few options, and many of them relied on having installed earlier parts of SoB.
 
EDIT - hold the phone!  Major update to v2.0, which renders some of the information below irrelevant!
 
This makes MAJOR changes.  There are no more options to change kits.  Instead, there are options to change NPCs' class. There are many fewer components, because there are not as many class changes that work (for lore reasons, I'm not changing Jaheira from druid, or Quayle from cleric/mage, or Kagain from fighter, etc.  Side benefit: less work for me!  :p

Then, in-game, the magic happens: I've devised a way to generate a script on the fly that will detect any mod kits you have added.  Every single joinable NPC in the game will get an innate ability to add a kit, or to switch to a new kit, and they will have options for every kit that their class allows.

It's frakkin' awesome.

What's more: I've cheated a bit.  Just 20 minutes ago, I figured out how to add an extra option to sorcerers, allowing them to take the Wild Mage wizard kit.  I haven't tested it at all but I did confirm that it works.  So, with this mod you can turn Neera into a sorcerer, and then in game turn her into a Wild Sorcerer! It's perfect for her!

You can turn Minsc into a fighter, and then in-game you can turn him into a Barbarian!

Also, as if that's not enough (come on!):
 
I've also added options for multiclass characters to take a kit.  They can only take a kit in one class, so here how it pans out:
- ranger/clerics: choose a ranger kit
- fighter/clerics: choose a cleric kit
- cleric/thieves: choose a cleric kit
- cleric/mages: choose a cleric kit
- fighter/druids: choose a fighter kit
- fighter/thieves: choose a fighter kit
- fighter/mages: choose a fighter kit
- thief/mages: choose a thief kit
- fighter/mage/clerics: choose a cleric kit
- fighter/mage/thieves: choose a fighter kit

So you can turn Coran into a kensai/thief.  You can turn Montaron into a berserker/thief.  You can make Imoen into a mage/thief multiclass, and then in-game turn her into a swashbuckler/mage.

YES, you can do all of this and more with EEKeeper.  But this is much cooler and easier to use.
 
Cheers!
 
I expanded it such that each NPC has their own component with numerous alternative subcomponents. The most basic option for each NPC is to change nothing, except to drop them to 1st level so that you can control their development as they level up. (They will keep all their XP and spells, so you can level them up immediately. This option should mimic the "TOB-style NPCs" component of BG2Tweaks, but on an NPC-by-NPC basis.)

The other options will change the NPCs in various ways. Some will add a kit to NPCs who were unkitted. Some will change a kitted NPC's kit. Some will actually change the NPC's class. Some will change the class <i>and</I> add a new kit, and some can even add kits to multiclass characters (e.g. Yeslick can be a kitted fighter/cleric; and Alora can become a kitted cleric/thief).

Can't people just use EEKeeper for this?

Yes. But you have to wait until the NPC is in your party, and quit out of the game and spend 20 minutes fiddling in EEKeeper when you really want to be playing. It's a lot easier to install this via Weidu, IMHO. Of course EEKeeper is more flexible, so if the class you want for Shar-Teel isn't in this mod, you can always use EEKeeper as a fall-back. Again, the spirit of this is, more options are better than fewer options.

Okay, can I change things around later?

Yes. This mod should be installed dead last, after all other mods. After BG2Tweaks. After SCS. Even after Generalized Biffing, if you're playing the non-EE engine and using GB. The whole idea of this is that, after you play a game with Kivan as an Archer, you can easily uninstall that component and reinstall him as a Stalker. If this is the last mod you install, then you can do that many times without disturbing anything else.

I've already changed up some NPCs with Scales of Balance components (or the NPCKits mod, or some other method). Do I have to uninstall those changes before using this mod?

No - whichever one goes in last should control. You should be able to install/uninstall/reinstall this one on top of anything else you've already done. (I have not tested doing this, but it overwrites the various ckass/kit/HP/etc. fields, so I don't see how they would conflict.)

Great. But, don't take this the wrong way, there aren't many options.

Yeah, I know. I'm releasing this as a beta right now under the theory that some options are better than no options. Right now the mod includes options for various vanilla kits (e.g. "make Montaron an Assassin"), for various SoB kits (e.g. "make Khalid a Corsair"), and for @zupsky's very nice Lost Druid kit ("make Faldorn a Lost Druid"). If you choose one of those options, it will install that kit into the game, but only for that NPC - not for the player. If you want those kits to be available for your PC, then you'll have to actually install those mods. (So, you do *not* have to install anything from Scales of Balance to make these options work. Yay!)

Additionally, there will be a few more options if you install kits from the Divine Remix and Song & Silence mods. I'm going to reach out to the keepers of those mods, and maybe one or two others, to see if I can borrow their code to install those kits independently, like the SoB and Lost Druid kits are now. We'll see.

What about proficiencies? If you make Coran a single-class thief he can't use his 3 pips in long bow!

Yeah, I've taken care of that. Coran as a single-class thief will get an illegal two pips in short bow. He will also have a short bow equipped when you meet him, instead of a long bow. Turn Khalid into a ranger/cleric and his sharp equipment will be replaced with blunt equipment. Et cetera.

Again: I have no time for anything but the most limited testing. I've installed this, and CLUA'd the NPCs into existence, and it seems to be working fine. Let me know in this thread if you see any bugs.

Cheers!

Edited by subtledoctor, 05 April 2016 - 08:11 PM.

Faiths & Powers: Spell spheres and kit pack for priests and paladins
Might & Guile: Tweaks and kits for warriors and rogues
Scales of Balance: Game tweaks and rule overhauls
NPC_EE: More options for NPCs in BGEE, SoD, & BG2EE


#2 Mike1072

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Posted 27 August 2015 - 12:29 PM

Cool. If I ever get some free time, I was considering making an L1NPCs-lite version from scratch just for the EEs if nobody gets around to updating L1NPCs before my inevitable next playthrough.

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Posted 27 August 2015 - 01:04 PM

...making an L1NPCs.. version .. for the EEs...

There's a legend that someone already did that... I would say that CrevsDaak had done that, or a lot of work towards it, but he went silent about this subject some time ago:
 

...
OK, that had escaped me. Then I'll list new NPCs and done.

So you might ask of it ..
 

Here is the download link.

And here is the ReadMe

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Posted 27 August 2015 - 01:06 PM

Nice. Well like I say, feel free to add in anything you want. (And/or criticize the code... some of it needs work, like the "Ajantis=Inquisitor" component that I've commented out.)

Also, one of my back-burner ideas for this is to add an .ini file that just looks like
AJANTIS_1 = bastard sword 
AJANTIS_2 = long bow
...
etc.
And let the .tp2 read that and insert them into the proficiency assignment, just to give the player one more thing they control. It's still nowhere near the control that L1NPCs gives you, but it would probably be enough for most people.

Edited by subtledoctor, 27 August 2015 - 01:07 PM.

Faiths & Powers: Spell spheres and kit pack for priests and paladins
Might & Guile: Tweaks and kits for warriors and rogues
Scales of Balance: Game tweaks and rule overhauls
NPC_EE: More options for NPCs in BGEE, SoD, & BG2EE


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Posted 31 August 2015 - 05:33 PM

...making an L1NPCs.. version .. for the EEs...

There's a legend that someone already did that... I would say that CrevsDaak had done that, or a lot of work towards it, but he went silent about this subject some time ago:
 

...
OK, that had escaped me. Then I'll list new NPCs and done.

So you might ask of it ..
 

Here is the download link.

And here is the ReadMe

:beer:

Eeeeh, my version barely installs, it is in my old computer's HDD (if it wasn't accidentally deleted in one or misplaced), and I haven't even finished adding all of the EE NPCs (I had added Neera and Dorn (both BG:EE and BG2:EE), and had started adding Rasaad), so I wouldn't say that it's actually there for anyone else to install... I'll look for it later and see if I can get some more work done (dude, 'cause I had even forgotten xD).

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Posted 07 September 2015 - 06:38 PM

Quick update to v1.1: this now adds options to re-kit or re-class a bunch of BG2 NPCs as well:

- Imoen
- Minsc
- Jaheira
- Viconia
- Yoshimo
- Valygar
- Nalia
- Haer'Dalis
- Mazzy
- Aerie
- Keldorn
- Cernd

 

Works on TOB, Tutu, BGT, BGEE, and BG2EE.  Enjoy!

 

https://github.com/s...eleases/tag/1.1


Faiths & Powers: Spell spheres and kit pack for priests and paladins
Might & Guile: Tweaks and kits for warriors and rogues
Scales of Balance: Game tweaks and rule overhauls
NPC_EE: More options for NPCs in BGEE, SoD, & BG2EE


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Posted 27 October 2015 - 09:14 AM

Quick update to v1.2, with a few fixes relating to Coran, Montaron, Ajantis, Viconia, and Xan.

https://github.com/s...eleases/tag/1.2

Edited by subtledoctor, 05 January 2016 - 08:25 AM.

Faiths & Powers: Spell spheres and kit pack for priests and paladins
Might & Guile: Tweaks and kits for warriors and rogues
Scales of Balance: Game tweaks and rule overhauls
NPC_EE: More options for NPCs in BGEE, SoD, & BG2EE


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Posted 06 January 2016 - 08:01 PM

That came together faster than I thought! Here's a very rough beta of v2.

Some of the strings are stupid, and it's limited to the NPC's current class. I'll clean up the text and eventually add some Weidu options to change some NPCs' class. Consider this a proof-of-concept.

https://dl.dropboxus...NPC_EE_beta.zip

EE-only - it relies on an EE feature of kitlist.2da. If you're playing BGT or TOB, use Level1NPCs instead.

Faiths & Powers: Spell spheres and kit pack for priests and paladins
Might & Guile: Tweaks and kits for warriors and rogues
Scales of Balance: Game tweaks and rule overhauls
NPC_EE: More options for NPCs in BGEE, SoD, & BG2EE


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Posted 12 January 2016 - 08:27 PM

Okay: I'm ready to unveil v2!

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This makes MAJOR changes.  There are no more options to change kits.  Instead, there are options to change NPCs' class. There are many fewer components, because there are not as many class changes that work (for lore reasons, I'm not changing Jaheira from druid, or Quayle from cleric/mage, or Kagain from fighter, etc.  Side benefit: less work for me!  :p

Then, in-game, the magic happens: I've devised a way to generate a script on the fly that will detect any mod kits you have added.  Every single joinable NPC in the game will get an innate ability to add a kit, or to switch to a new kit, and they will have options for every kit that their class allows.

It's frakkin' awesome.

What's more: I've cheated a bit.  Just 20 minutes ago, I figured out how to add an extra option to sorcerers, allowing them to take the Wild Mage wizard kit.  I haven't tested it at all but I did confirm that it works.  So, with this mod you can turn Neera into a sorcerer, and then in game turn her into a Wild Sorcerer! It's perfect for her!

You can turn Minsc into a fighter, and then in-game you can turn him into a Barbarian!

Also, as if that's not enough (come on!):
 
I've also added options for multiclass characters to take a kit.  They can only take a kit in one class, so here how it pans out:
- ranger/clerics: choose a ranger kit
- fighter/clerics: choose a cleric kit
- cleric/thieves: choose a cleric kit
- cleric/mages: choose a cleric kit
- fighter/druids: choose a fighter kit
- fighter/thieves: choose a fighter kit
- fighter/mages: choose a fighter kit
- thief/mages: choose a thief kit
- fighter/mage/clerics: choose a cleric kit
- fighter/mage/thieves: choose a fighter kit

So you can turn Coran into a kensai/thief.  You can turn Montaron into a berserker/thief.  You can make Imoen into a mage/thief multiclass, and then in-game turn her into a swashbuckler/mage.

YES, you can do all of this and more with EEKeeper.  But this is much cooler and easier to use.
 
Cheers!

Edited by subtledoctor, 16 January 2016 - 08:09 PM.

Faiths & Powers: Spell spheres and kit pack for priests and paladins
Might & Guile: Tweaks and kits for warriors and rogues
Scales of Balance: Game tweaks and rule overhauls
NPC_EE: More options for NPCs in BGEE, SoD, & BG2EE


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Posted 13 January 2016 - 12:20 AM

Hey, I've noticed that you added support for EET in this mod. Thanks. Few things are not perfect yet though. In EET following NPC BG1 creatures are renamed due to conflicting names with BG2 resources:

IMOEN6 => IMOEN6_ (IMOEN61 in BGT)

QUAYLE => QUAYLE_ (BGQUAYLE in BGT)

VICONI6 => VICONI6_ (VICONI61 in BGT)

XAN => XAN_ (BGXAN in BGT)
XZAR => XZAR_ (BGXZAR in BGT)

 

Also your code is not compatible with tutu at all. That platform renames every single resource in BG1 by adding _ at the beginning, not only for conflicting ones. Overall I think it would be better to assign variables depending on the platform like this and paste it into ALWAYS section of the tp2 file (this way they will be assigned for each component). Right before LANGUAGE declaration you could add something like this:

ALWAYS
  ACTION_IF GAME_IS ~bgee~ BEGIN
    OUTER_SPRINT tutu_var ~~
    OUTER_SPRINT IMOEN6_var ~IMOEN6~
    OUTER_SPRINT QUAYLE_var ~QUAYLE~
    OUTER_SPRINT VICONI6_var ~VICONI6~
    OUTER_SPRINT XAN_var ~XAN~
    OUTER_SPRINT XZAR_var ~XZAR~
  END ELSE ACTION_IF GAME_IS ~eet~ BEGIN
    OUTER_SPRINT tutu_var ~~
    OUTER_SPRINT IMOEN6_var ~IMOEN6_~
    OUTER_SPRINT QUAYLE_var ~QUAYLE_~
    OUTER_SPRINT VICONI6_var ~VICONI6_~
    OUTER_SPRINT XAN_var ~XAN_~
    OUTER_SPRINT XZAR_var ~XZAR_~
  END ELSE ACTION_IF GAME_IS ~bgt~ BEGIN
    OUTER_SPRINT tutu_var ~~
    OUTER_SPRINT IMOEN6_var ~IMOEN61~
    OUTER_SPRINT QUAYLE_var ~BGQUAYLE~
    OUTER_SPRINT VICONI6_var ~VICONI61~
    OUTER_SPRINT XAN_var ~BGXAN~
    OUTER_SPRINT XZAR_var ~BGXZAR~
  END ELSE ACTION_IF GAME_IS ~tutu tutu_totsc~ BEGIN
    OUTER_SPRINT tutu_var ~_~
    OUTER_SPRINT IMOEN6_var ~IMOEN6~
    OUTER_SPRINT QUAYLE_var ~QUAYLE~
    OUTER_SPRINT VICONI6_var ~VICONI6~
    OUTER_SPRINT XAN_var ~XAN~
    OUTER_SPRINT XZAR_var ~XZAR~
  END
END

now you no longer need separate blocks for each platform. For example this (which is not really compatible with either EET or Tutu):

ACTION_IF GAME_IS ~tutu bgee eet~ THEN BEGIN
    COPY_EXISTING ~IMOEN1.cre~ ~override~
                ~IMOEN2.cre~ ~override~
                ~IMOEN4.cre~ ~override~
                ~IMOEN6.cre~ ~override~

could be changed to:

ACTION_IF GAME_IS ~tutu tutu_totsc bgee eet bgt~ THEN BEGIN
    COPY_EXISTING ~%tutu_var%IMOEN1.cre~ ~override~
                ~%tutu_var%IMOEN2.cre~ ~override~
                ~%tutu_var%IMOEN4.cre~ ~override~
                ~%tutu_var%%IMOEN6_var%.cre~ ~override~

notice that whole

ACTION_IF GAME_IS ~bgt~ THEN BEGIN

block in mage_thief.tpa is no longer needed if you code it like this, so there is less chance for mistakes.

 

btw. if you are adding exact same changes in both BG1 and BG2 creatures than you could use code like this instead (Imoen used just as an example, from what I've seen you are doing different patching in BG1 and BG2):

ACTION_FOR_EACH file IN ~%tutu_var%IMOEN1~ ~%tutu_var%IMOEN2~ ~%tutu_var%IMOEN4~ ~%tutu_var%%IMOEN6_var%~ ~IMOEN6~ ~IMOEN10~ ~IMOEN15~ ~IMOEN211~ ~IMOEN213~ BEGIN
  ACTION_IF FILE_EXISTS_IN_GAME ~%file%.cre~ BEGIN
    COPY_EXISTING ~%file%.cre~ ~override~
      //do your patching
    BUT_ONLY
  END
END

Edited by K4thos, 16 January 2016 - 05:24 PM.


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Posted 16 January 2016 - 02:55 PM

Oy.  More, different renaming conventions.  What was wrong with the BGT convention? 

 

Well, I think I'm just removing Tutu compatibility - it's not used very much, and it's a ton of work to deal with, and I don't have a Tutu install to test with so I would be releasing code blindly.  And it's fine for this mod, anyway, because it's now EE-only. 

 

As for EET, I'll get around to adding those variants when i can.  Bad timing though, as RL is preventing me from doing much more than the occasoinal bug-fix and some forum posts.  Until SoD comes out, EET is not going to be a very high priority...


Faiths & Powers: Spell spheres and kit pack for priests and paladins
Might & Guile: Tweaks and kits for warriors and rogues
Scales of Balance: Game tweaks and rule overhauls
NPC_EE: More options for NPCs in BGEE, SoD, & BG2EE


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Posted 16 January 2016 - 03:42 PM

What was wrong with the BGT convention?

1. It's not consistent. Using exmples from previous post:

QUAYLE => BGQUAYLE - this one is fine

IMOEN6 => IMOEN61 - this is odd one

2. Due to 2 characters prefix there are instances where 7 character filenames had to be changed to fit in 8 characters limit (no common convention, dropping 1 or 2 letters, usually at the end but not always).

3. Area renaming have no bearing on the original BG1 area numbers. You are always forced to use external site for reference

4. It changes much more than it should (for example every single EXIT and DOOR name in area files)

5. BGT appends dialogues for continuous NPCs, so common convention with EET wouldn't be reliable either way

And so forth. Ascension64 (author of BGT-weidu) actually agrees with the opinion that it's not a good convention.

 

When modding EET you pretty much only need to know about 2 rules regarding BG1 resources:

- area resources = changed prefix from AR to BG

- other resources = "_" suffix at the end of few conflicting files

 

As for EET, I'll get around to adding those variants when i can.  Bad timing though, as RL is preventing me from doing much more than the occasoinal bug-fix and some forum posts.  Until SoD comes out, EET is not going to be a very high priority...

Thanks. You may also consider using cross-platform coding implementation via community standard cpmvars btw. These files contains all vatiables that you will need in your mods to make it work with all platforms.

 

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Some bug reports:

1. npc_ee/npcs/coran/bard.tpa

EXTEND_BOTTOM ~imoen.bcs~ ~npc_ee/npcs/coran/coran_bard.baf~

=>

EXTEND_BOTTOM ~coran.bcs~ ~npc_ee/npcs/coran/coran_bard.baf~

2. Pretty much every EXTEND_TOP like the one above for BG2 NPCs is not compatible with a game started in ToB because you only modify non-ToB variants of Override scripts.


Edited by K4thos, 16 January 2016 - 08:04 PM.


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Posted 16 January 2016 - 07:58 PM

2. Pretty much every EXTEND_TOP like the one above for BG2 NPCs is not compatible with a game started in ToB because you only modify non-ToB variants of Override scripts.


Actually most of them do also EXTEND the TOB scripts, but a few (Nalia, Mazzy) were missing.  Good catch.

 

As to EET, I don't mean to gripe and it is 100% in my plans.  It's just, RL is absolutely destroying me right now and I don't have enough time to get this done anytime soon.


Faiths & Powers: Spell spheres and kit pack for priests and paladins
Might & Guile: Tweaks and kits for warriors and rogues
Scales of Balance: Game tweaks and rule overhauls
NPC_EE: More options for NPCs in BGEE, SoD, & BG2EE


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 04:35 PM

Just taking a closer look at this. It's a very nice technique, defining the variables up-front. But I see a possible problem (really just with Imoen and Viconia)
 

now you no longer need separate blocks for each platform. For example this (which is not really compatible with either EET or Tutu):

ACTION_IF GAME_IS ~tutu bgee eet~ THEN BEGIN
    COPY_EXISTING ~IMOEN1.cre~ ~override~
                ~IMOEN2.cre~ ~override~
                ~IMOEN4.cre~ ~override~
                ~IMOEN6.cre~ ~override~
could be changed to:
ACTION_IF GAME_IS ~tutu tutu_totsc bgee eet bgt~ THEN BEGIN
    COPY_EXISTING ~%tutu_var%IMOEN1.cre~ ~override~
                ~%tutu_var%IMOEN2.cre~ ~override~
                ~%tutu_var%IMOEN4.cre~ ~override~
                ~%tutu_var%%IMOEN6_var%.cre~ ~override~
notice that whole
ACTION_IF GAME_IS ~bgt~ THEN BEGIN
block in mage_thief.tpa is no longer needed if you code it like this, so there is less chance for mistakes.

 


In EET and BGT you don't just need the one variant of Imoen6 or Viconi6; I need to patch both imoen6 and imoen61; and both viconi6 and viconi61.  So I would still need a separate block for

ACTION_IF GAME_IS ~bgt eet~ THEN BEGIN
 

No?


Faiths & Powers: Spell spheres and kit pack for priests and paladins
Might & Guile: Tweaks and kits for warriors and rogues
Scales of Balance: Game tweaks and rule overhauls
NPC_EE: More options for NPCs in BGEE, SoD, & BG2EE


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 05:16 PM

You can patch both at the same time, that's why we're setting these variables beforehand. This example probably is more readable:

ACTION_FOR_EACH file IN ~IMOEN1~ ~IMOEN2~ ~IMOEN4~ ~%IMOEN6_var%~ ~IMOEN6~ ~IMOEN10~ ~IMOEN15~ ~IMOEN211~ ~IMOEN213~ BEGIN
  ACTION_IF FILE_EXISTS_IN_GAME ~%file%.cre~ BEGIN
    COPY_EXISTING ~%file%.cre~ ~override~
      //do your patching
    BUT_ONLY
  END
END

above example will return correct file names for both BGT and EET but only if you assigned that "IMOEN6_var" like I've mentioned in the first post. If you don't know which variables needs to be set than please consider downloading cpmvars for each platform here (notice that these files contains exactly the same variable names but different words evaluated in them) Now INCLUDE each of these files in the ALWAYS section of your mod depending on GAME_IS command. From now on you no longer need to worry about setting variables, you just need to remember which files are renamed and replace the names with variable names, using BG:EE file as a reference. Let me know if it's still confusing.


Edited by K4thos, 19 January 2016 - 05:27 AM.




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